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KapitanSchab

to jakaś paranoja ! przecież tyle armii stanowczo bardziej wymaga nowego kodeksu Confused

chodź by wilki ! i żadna argumentacja nie będzie usprawiedliwiać SM, bo są armie których okładkę kodeksu i zawartość pamięta jeszcze Mieszko I...

DarkOne

...i moja babcia, a ona przyczynila sie do wymarcia dinozaurow

EDIT by Rakoo: prosze bez zbytnich przeklenstw Razz

KapitanSchab

DarkOne

A pewnie! Czeka na nowy kodeks zakonu Mocherowych Marines!

KapitanSchab

DonDamiano

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nie ma się co denerwować, GW i tak nas maluczkich nie posłucha bo dla Nich liczy się możliwość liczenia... kasy Exclamation

A ten Codex da Im szansę owego liczenia Sad

A Nam nie pozostaje nic innego jak tylko czekać...

Pozdrawiam,

Snorri

beta wersja zasad

1. All partial hits from any type of template count as full hits.
2. When allowed to re-roll dice, re-roll any you wish and leave as-is any you wish.
3. Beasts and Cavalry can enter woods and buildings but assault like infantry when in these areas.
4. Once per turn, now means once on your turn and once on your opponent’s turn. If it is spelled out as a “game turn” then it means once per round.
5. A model may not touch an enemy model in the movement phase. If the model is not going to assault that enemy model, it must stay at more than 1” away. (it doesn’t state this but if you are going to assault, you can be 1/16” away as long as the models don’t touch).
6. Random/compulsory movement is affected by terrain (with movement halved).
7. Units engaged with an enemy in close combat may not move in the movement phase.
8. Enemy and Friendly models are impassible terrain, but models may move thru the spaces between friendly models (as long as their bases are smaller than the gap).
9. A unit is 3” away from difficult terrain and wants to enter it. If they roll snake eyes, they can still move up to 6” to get as many models to the edge of the difficult terrain as possible.
10. Stage 7 of the shooting chart ends in an uncompleted sentence.
11. Models that are partially obscured can not be fired on.
12. A unit can always fire thru an intervening unit to a unit that it is partially obscuring as long as the unit that is shooting has no weapons that can hurt the intervening unit. Their example is a unit hiding behind a tank. If I read this correctly, if you can see part of one model, then somehow the tank becomes transparent…
13. To fire, you need to have one enemy model that is completely in the clear or one enemy model that partially obscured by something that can’t be hurt by your unit’s weapons.
14. You measure range to determine whether the enemy is close enough to fire at and you measure range to see who in the unit can fire. But you don’t measure range to determine who can take wounds. Everyone in the target unit can be hit (this includes models that are out of range and out of line of sight).
15. Models with a BS of 6 or better get an automatic re-roll to hit. The BS will determine what the second roll needs to be to hit (it is a different number than the first roll). For example BS of 6 gives you a roll of 2+ and a re-roll of 6+. A BS of 10 give you a roll of 2+ and a re-roll of 2+. If this model would already get a re-roll, then he would get a roll of 2+ with a re-roll of 2+, but would not get a third re-roll.
16. Cover now has three levels… hedges and high grass give a 5+ save, buildings give a 3+ save and EVERYTHING ELSE gives a 4+ save.
17. Models partially in area terrain gain a cover save.
18. Models deeper than 2” in area terrain give a cover save to whatever unit they are shooting at.
19. Since each wound is allocated to each model, determine whether that particular model gains a cover save prior to saves.
20. The rules then completely conflict with an early section and say the models in area terrain that are out of line of sight can not have wounds allocated to them. This is probably a case of cut and paste and may not be correct.
21. The rules then completely conflict again with an earlier section and say that if the majority of models are in cover, all models count as in cover and if the majority of models are out of cover, then none of them have a cover save. Again, I think this is case of cut and paste and is not correct.
22. After rolls to hit and to wound are rolled, the unit under fire can declare that they are “taking cover – pinned”. If in cover, they gain a +1 to this cover save and if not in cover gain a 6+ cover save. This unit immediately becomes pinned and may not do any actions on their next turn. After this, they return to normal and take normal actions.
23. If a model with a special weapon is killed, it can not be picked up by another model in the unit, it is lost.
24. They directly conflict themselves on how wounds are assigned/saved for multi-wound models (which match the old rules of rolling the saves and then assigning the wounds rather than the new way of assigning the wounds and then rolling the saves). Copy paste strikes again… or multi wound models take wounds differently than single wound models.
25. Alter saving throws are failed, the owning player may chose any similar model on which to take the wounds (it must have the same profile, weapons, options, etc).
26. The diagram for rapid fire weapons has a big note on it saying “this needs changing”… hmmm…
27. If the center of a blast template is off the table, the entire shot is wasted.
28. “Get’s hot” only take affect if you roll a 1 (no more 1’s if you fire once, 1’s and 2’s if you double tap).
29. Multiple flamer templates are now very straightforward. You place each template and determine the number of wounds each causes. If multiple templates cover the same model, it causes multiple wounds. After the total number of wounds is determined, then wounds are allocated to each model. Very simple and straightforward!! No more going back and forth between hits wounds and saves for multiple templates and multiple weapons.
30. If a unit is wounded by multiple units with pinning weapons, it must take multiple pinning tests.
31. Rending is different. Against non-vehicles, rolls of 6 TO WOUND now cause an automatic AP2 wound (regardless of toughness). Against vehicles, an armour penetration roll of 6 adds an addition D3 to be added to the total.
32. Sniper weapons have pinning and rending but lose the ability to hit on 2+ (they still wound on a 4+ regardless of the targets toughness). Against vehicles, they roll 2D6 (with rending bonuses possible).
33. All units that are going to assault that turn declare their targets, then all movement takes place, then all assaults are resolved. This solves the double assaulting problem.
34. “Pile In” is revised. All models locked in combat but not in base to base move up to 6” to get into base to base. Later in the rules, it then says that models that are locked in combat but not able to assault can move 6”.
35. When moving models into assault (this includes assaulting multiple units), move the closest model the shortest distance into assault. All other models must maintain coherency to the overall unit as they move. No longer do you have to make a daisy chain of movement.
36. Models that are not in base to base or within 2” of a model in base to base but are part of a unit that is assaulting another unit are considered locked. They do not get attacks, but can have wounds assigned to them and can pile in later.
37. Grenades mean that models strike in their normal initiative order instead of last because of terrain. Defensive grenades give 4+D6, assault grenades 5+D6, frag grenades 6+D6, krak grenades 8+2D6 against vehicles in assault.
38. If a unit assaults an enemy unit in area terrain that is already engaged in CC, they strike at normal initiative instead of at initiative 1.
39. Consolidation is now D6” (but it can’t be used to move into a enemy unit that is already engaged in combat).
40. Blast markers and template may not be placed so that they cover any models locked in combat. But they can scatter and all models under a template are hit regardless of line of sight or close combat.
41. Units locked in close combat do not need to take morale or pinning tests due to shooting.
42. Models that at the beginning of the fight that were engaged with a single enemy (but are assaulted by additional units) must make all of its attacks against the first unit.
43. Models that at the beginning of the fight that are engaged with multiple enemy units may split their attacks any way that they wish. Declare this before rolling to hit.
44. A model with a poisoned weapon automatically wounds on a specific roll number. If the strength vs toughness comparison is better than the automatic roll number, the model uses the better number and gains a re-roll.
45. Powerfists do not gain an additional attack with a second CC weapon unless the other weapon is another powerfist or thunderhammer.
46. A unit that suffers 25% or greater casualities in a single phase must pass a morale test or fall back (a unit locked in close combat or already falling back does not have to take this test)
47. Fearless units that lose combat and are outnumber lose a wound for being outnumbered in combat, 2 wounds of being outnumbered 2 to 1, 10 wounds for being outnumbered 10 to 1, etc… Walkers suffer glancing hits instead of wounds.
48. “Friends falling back” says that if a friendly unit falls back thru other units, the other units must take a morale check to see if they fall back too.
49. Falling back is not affected by difficult terrain but must test for dangerous terrain. Falling back units may move thru friendly units (ignore base width restrictions) but if they would end their move on top of a friendly unit, move them farther until they are past this unit. On a model by model basis, if any falling back model encounters impassable terrain, enemy models (not counting ones that were locked in that combat), or the table edge, the model is immediately removed. Falling back units may continue shooting and may choose to run instead of shooting (but must run in the direction of the nearest table edge). I imagine that they will revise this to be running in the same direction as the fall back, otherwise you could get in a situation where they fall back and run forward (which is doesn’t make sense).
50. A falling back unit cannot regroup if within 6” of an enemy or at less than half strength. This test is at +1 if there are no visible enemies and at +1 if the majority of the models are inside area terrain. If successful, the unit may move up to 3” (it counts as moving regardless), and it may shoot, run or assault if possible.
51. Independent characters can join with other independent characters as well as other units (but not vehicle squads). If a character ends its movement within 2” of another unit, it automatically joins that unit. If the character ends its movement within 2” of multiple units, it must declare which unit it has joined.
52. Independent characters that have joined a unit can not be targeted by shooting but can have wounds assigned to it. I imagine that they will reword this so that in a situation where there are more wounds than models in a unit, then wounds must be allocated to the independent character.
53. Independent characters that have not joined a unit CAN be targeted by shooting.
54. Independent characters that have joined a unit must shoot at the same target that the rest of the unit shoots at.
55. Psychers must take a perils of the warp each time they use a physic power. This test is successful if equal or less than the leadership of this model. This model suffers a unsaveable wound if the roll is 2 or 12. Invulnerable saves may be used but they must be passed twice.
56. Monstrous creatures can fire twice but both shots must be at the same target.
57. ALL jump infantry units may enter play by deep strike.
58. Bikes are not affected by difficult terrain (either in the movement or assault phase) but must take a dangerous terrain test if entering or moving thru.
59. ALL bikes have turbo-boost and the “relentless” special rule, but may not “run”. They may fire one weapon per rider.
60. Beasts and cavalry move like infantry (including the ability to run). They also have the Fleet ability which allows them to charge after running. They can charge 12” but are affected by terrain (double the distance allowed by the difficult terrain test).
61. Artillery units may not run or assault if they have any guns with them. They can be pinned but this gives no protection to the guns. If falling back after an assault against a unit that can sweeping advance, the artillery automatically loses the initiative roll and is destroyed.
62. Vehicle shooting is measured from the weapon for line of sight and range.
63. If a vehicle starts its movement on the road (and doesn’t leave the road) and does nothing else (smoke launchers, embarking/disembarking passengers, shooting, etc) it may double its normal movement.
64. All vehicles have the relentless special rule (may fire heavy and rapidfire weapons as if stationary while moving).
65. If a firing squad has models facing different armour sides of a vehicle, use the side that the majority of the models (that have weapons able to hurt the vehicle)
66. Blast templates (after rolling for scatter) that end up with the center of the template over the vehicle are at full strength and the armour facing is determined by the line between the shooter and the vehicle. Blast templates that scatter and end up covering the model but with the template hole of the vehicle are resolved at half strength and the armour facing is determined by the line between the center of the template hole and the vehicle.
67. AP1 weapons add +1 modifier to the vehicle damage result table.
68. AP- weapons add -1 modifier to the vehicle damage result table.
69. Double immobilized is weapon destroyed. If there are no weapons left on a weapon destroyed result, then the vehicle is immobilized. If the vehicle is immobilized and has no weapons left, and the vehicle suffers any damage, it is “destroyed – wrecked” result instead.
70. “Destroyed – exploded” causes a S3, AP- wound to all models within D6”.
71. If a vehicle is obscured and hit, it may take a save, just like a model… 3+ for buildings, 5+ for hedges and 4+ for everything else. If successful, then the hit is ignored.
72. Smoke launchers give a 5+ cover save and can be used even if vehicle is shaken or stunned.
73. Models that assault a vehicle are not considered locked in combat and after an assault both the assaulting unit and the vehicle are free to move away. If neither move away then the unit may assault the vehicle again on the enemy’s turn (both may be shot at during the shooting phase).
74. Against squadrons of vehicles (like a unit of sentinels) a unit assaulting the squadron must treat each vehicle as a separate unit.
75. Models can only disembark/embark from a vehicle during the movement phase (no disembarking during the assault phase).
76. If a vehicle has moved prior to disembarking a unit, that unit may not move or assault after its disembarking move of 2” but may shoot.
77. A unit that shoots at a transport and destroys it, it may assault the unit inside the vehicle in the assault phase.
78. There is now tank-shocking and ramming.
79. Hits of passengers from penetrating shots in an open topped vehicle are S3 instead of S4.
80. Fast vehicle may fire all their weapons after moving 6”, one main weapon and all defensive weapons after moving 12” and may move up to 18” but not fire any weapons.
81. Regular vehicles that move 6” may fire 1 main and all defensive weapons, but may not fire anything if it moves over 6”.
82. Skimmers moving 12”-18” receive a 5+ save to hits.
83. Walkers can run in the shooting phase.
84. If a walker moves, it can only fire one main weapon and all defensive weapons, if it is stays still, it may fire all of its weapons.
85. Non immobilized walkers can only be hit by meltabombs and grenades on to hit of 6.
86. Walkers can be rammed by a tank. Walkers can choice to do a death or glory but if unsuccessful, it is bowled over and hit on rear armour when hits are resolved.
87. New universal rules… “eternal warrior” immune to instant death…
88. “Preferred enemies” allows you to reroll to hits against a specific enemy.
89. “Relentless” allows you to fire rapidfire and heavy weapons as if you haven’t moved that turn and allows you to assault that turn .
90. “Stealth” increases this unit’s cover save by +1.
91. “Stubborn” units ignore negative leadership modifiers when taking morale tests.
92. “Turboboost” all bikes and jetbikes have the ability to move 24” but cannot move thru difficult cover, shoot, assault, or move in any other phase of battle. In the following turn, these models gain a 3+ cover save (this unit must have moved at least 18” from its start point).
93. There are now only three types of missions but there are also three different table setups, so there are 9 different combinations. For missions there is recon, take and hold and total annihilation. The first two require scoring units.
94. There are no secrets. A player can ask to see the opponent’s roster at any time.
95. On turn 5, reserves automatically arrive (if they haven’t already successfully rolled to appear).
96. If units with scout or infiltrate are placed in reserve (even those with transports) they may attempt to “outflank”. On a D6 roll of 1 or 2, they enter from short table edge on the left, on a roll of 3 or 4 they enter from the short table edge on the right and on a roll of 5 or 6 they enter from the opponent’s long table edge.
97. If the game ends in a draw for objectives, it is then decided based on victory points. A difference of over 10% counts as a win.
98. A vehicle that has taken any damage gives half victory points.

Sporo zmian jednak będzie, a duże tyrki to chyba niezabijalne sie zrobią. Żeby mieć dodatkowy atak z fista trzeba mieć 2 fisty, a rending ściagnie save jak sie 6 na ranienie kulnie.

Majsinek

Ej to już będzie inna gra zupełnie, te covery trochę przegieli...

adrian

duzo linkow, nie chce mi sie ich podpisywac :] 3 od gory to homunkulusy do DE, fajni sa w SS Very Happy

a drugi to limitka z GD.

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Snorri · Wysłany: Sob 13:25, 08 Mar 2008 Temat postu:

Kodeks do demonów, są tu też opisane opcje dotyczące battla zdaje sie:

# Lesser Daemons (Troops)

# Bloodletters
- Furious Charge
- May take a Champion, musician & standard.
# Daemonettes
- May take a Champion, musician & standard.
# Plaguebearers
- May take a Champion, musician & standard.
# Pink Horrors
- One Horror may be upgraded to The Changeling a named unit champion
- May take a Champion, musician & standard.

# Furies
- Don’t count towards compulsory number of troops
# Nurglings
- Don’t count towards compulsory number of troops

# Daemonic Creatures (Elites)

# Fiends of Slaanesh
- Expensive but very quick & nasty in CC
# Flamers of Tzeentch
# Beasts of Nurgle
# Flesh Hounds of Khorne
- One Flesh hound may be upgrade to Kernak – Hound of Vengeance a named unit champion

# Riding Beasts (Fast Attack)

# Blood Crushers of Khorne
- Bloodletters riding juggers.
- May take a Champion, musician & standard
- Infantry
# Seekers of Slaanesh
- Daemonettes riding steeds of Slaanesh
- May take a Champion, musician & standard
- Cavalry
# Screamers of Tzeentch
- Jetbikes

# Daemonic Monstrosities (Heavy Support)

# Soulgrinder of Chaos
- ‘unbound’ Defiler
- Armed with two Dreadnought CC weapons, one Harvester cannon & a Mawcannon (this starts off with a vomit profile but may be upgraded to use a Tongue or Phlegm weapon).
# Daemon Prince
- MC
- Highly upgradeable
- Some upgrades depend of Mark of Chaos purchased.

# Daemonic Overlords (HQ)

The named characters are unique and you may only have one (of each) in an army.

# Kugath – The PlagueFather
Nastier GUO with a gruesome shooting attack
# Fateweaver – Oracle of Tzeentch
Named Lord of Change – Helps survivability of units around him.
# Skarbrand – The Exiled One
Undivided Greater Daemon – Improves CC ability of units in an area.
# Keeper of Secrets
- Fleet!
- Lash type ability
# Great Unclean One
- S&P
- FNP
# BloodThirster
- Gets Furious Charge
# Lord of Change
- ID Ability
- Can target different units while shooting
- Can shoot at least twice.
- Boon of Mutation – turns things into Spawn.

# Daemonic Heralds (HQ)

HQ choice but of a lesser rank than the overlords, you can take two for each single HQ choice.
# The Masque – Uber Daemonette
# Epidemius – The Tallyman of Nurgle
Uber Plague bearer – He keeps a track of all kills by the followers of Nurgle and all marked units gain cumulative benefits (Like the Ogre – Skrag) For example improving to wound roll, Improving FNP Save etc.
# The Bluescribes – Uber Horror
- Jump infantry

# Skulltaker – Uber Bloodletter
- Complete & Utter Character killer, do not get an IC into combat with him!
# Herald of Khorne
- Upgradeable
- May ride a Juggernaught
# Herald of Tzeentch
- Upgradeable
- May ride a Disc
# Herald of Nurgle
- Upgradeable
- May ride a Palanquin of Nurgle

# Herald of Slaanesh
- Upgradeable
- May ride a Mount of Slaanesh (Boobworm?) or a Chariot.

Rakoo

Wiecej o demonach

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DonDamiano

Witam,

nowy Codex do demonów i nawet ArmyBook można zobaczyć w Pracowni i poczytać Wink

Pozdrawiam,

Snorri

i demonetki pooglądać Very Happy

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Snorri

Nowe IG - z forum warseer

Army wide special rule: I think it’s called Platoon Drill or something like that. Basically, units from the same platoon may ignore intervening squads when shooting. So enemy units targeted in this way do not receive the 4+ save. Apparently this only works if the Platoon command squad is alive and within 12” of the rest of the platoon. I’ve been told that this is just one of the abilities guard Platoons may get, but only as long as the chain of command is intact (whatever that means). So loosing your HQ Command Squad may be a really bad thing.

Doctrines are for sure gone (I think we all knew this), but have been replaced by more mutable platoons. Instead of Armoured fist squads you can buy Chimeras for a whole platoon. Or buy the whole platoon grav-chutes to give them deep strike, or drop the heavy weapons from squads and give the platoon Scout. Veteran squads become upgrades to platoons (i.e. they are not elites anymore).

Apparently infantry platoons let you attach certain types of support vehicles to them(kinda like back in second edition). Things like sentinels, hellhounds and demolishers can be attached to platoons. They still take up a FOC spot, but become part of the platoon and so will benefit from the Platoon Drill rule.

The Leman Russ can be bought as a squadron so you can get 3 for a single FOC. They can not be attached to platoons however.

Sniper Squads can now infiltrate, get stealth, range finders and all models in the squad have sniper rifles (and BS 4!).

Like the Land Raider, a new plastic sprue for the Leman Russ has been made that will allow plastic demolishers and a 3rd variant (my money is on the Exterminator).

The Baneblade in NOT in the new codex. It just doesn’t work (i.e. overpowered)in games that are not Apocalypse in size.

However Stormtrooper squads can now take Valkyries as transports. Both will be getting a plastic kit. Valkyries follow the rules for skimmers I’ve been told. Again, they want to keep flyers and super heavies out of “normal games” but give people the ability to use them with all the special rules in Apocalypse and Planet-strike (if the ever get around to that.)

This last one makes me wonder what’s they are doing, but apparently there is a new HQ in the book; Inquisitor and Retinue much like the elites from the current Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters books.